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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 5, 2007 8:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

Christians killed plenty of people and did attack islam... a thousand years ago. They were europeans, are we to blame? I guess so, just as I am personally responsible for giving native americans polio blankets and enslaving black people. I also want to apologize for killing the wooly mammoth and forcing Al Gore to use carbon credits. I also want to apologize to the other organisms along the way that I was not evolved and civilized enough to invent a time machine and go back and save in an ark during a flood.

The IRA were the last Christian terrorist and they retired. There are no priests or pastors I know of standing on pulpits in the civilized world preaching submission to islam or death. There are thousands doing so in the muslim world. Not all muslims are terrorists, but how many terrorists are muslim? Come on, if I can bash priests for being pedophiles without anyone doing anything other than cracking a smile, why is it so wrong to call a kettle black? If it quacks like a duck, put it in an orange jump suit and decaptitate it on video and send it to Al Jazeera. Freedom fighters? Killing people who vote? Killing school children because we did horrible things like allow the girls to go? Freedom from what, freedom itself?

When we leave, we let the people govern themselves... these folks don't seem to get that, or they are afraid that their extremist and violent ideology may not bring out the vote on election day. In that case, their voice is not representative of the majority (HOPEFULLY). Everyone else in the world seems to be able to get along with other religions.

Judaism and Christianity, no beheadings!
Judaism and Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, no beheadings!
Christianity and Hindu, Buddhism, etc.. No beheadings!

Islam and ________ fill in the blanks. BEHEADINGS.

Now if we strictly use decapitation as a litmus test of the ability to interact with and get along with other religions, there seems to be clear evidence that ISLAM is not combatible with any other religion and the following other ideological and/or political belief systems:

Democracy- Most of us can agree on this one right? Even the Chinese! The Cubans and North Koreans might not, would anyone like to live there? I'll buy the plane ticket.

Communism- Chechnyan jihadis and Spetnaz troops just can't chill at the same kegger. The chinese don't talk about those little pesky islamic provinces that the largest totalitarian government cannot silence. More to come from there soon I imagine.

Socialism- well you never know. I would not put it past France to somehow embrace their murderers, they do it every so often.

Atheist- Well not as hated as polytheists, I am sure mujahadeen don't like anyone who flat out refuses to bow down to anyone, especially 5 times in a certain direction with a magic carpet and lots of body odor... I just get that from the pictures but I could be wrong. I wonder if any farts when they bend over like that?

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Poster: tree-ap Date: Mar 5, 2007 10:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

My apologies to Rodney King for NOT crediting him on his "can't we all just--get along" quote.

TTG, you're right, and then, you're not... Like most of us & the points we make, some points are easily validated & justified, and others are just as easily countered with another point. Islam in ALL it's forms---just like Christianity--should be allowed, as long as innocents are NOT being injured. You're right,children SHOULD NOT be subjected to the whims of pedophiles, and NO ONE should be persecuted or killed because they're NOT Muslim---I think on this we ALL agree!?!? BUT (but stinks, doesn't it), their point of view SHOULD be allowed on this, and any other forum, just as the Constitution promises it should be.
Our CURRENT involement in the Middle East is based on LIES & misrepresentations (to put it mildly). And, (here's what SO MANY "conservatives" would like you to believe)they don't hate us because we're "free". They hate us because all it seems America wants to do is make the rest of the world like America. If Afganistan, Iraq, Iran, Somalia, Cuba, or Canada "invaded" the US to bring down OUR dictator, we might be fighting them, don't you think? AND, wouldn't some of America's extremist groups use it as an oppotunity to cause even more havoc? Wouldn't there be more abortion clinic bombings, murders over race & sexual orientation, etc? Another David Koresh maybe? One who actually wages war against our "government" and other citizens in the US who they might feel are not worthy of their own life---for whatever reason? How about another "Christian" who bombs another government building in Oklahoma City, or Dallas, or Boston, or DC, or even your hometown?
Complex problems need even more complex solutions, but as we know, NO solution is perfect. How about this---maybe if we'd NOT gone to war in Iraq & spent EVERY DIME on say, solar panels & wind mills, that maybe we'd be a lot further along to our energy independence? Maybe our war for oil wouldn't be necessary. And yes, energy independence IS homeland security, and oil is ultimately what we're there for. I can't believe that so many believe the BS that we're there "fighting for freedom".
Anyway, there are a million other things would could've & should've done with the now hundred's of billions wasted this unwinable "war on terror", solar panels & wind mills were just one example.
There are plenty of other points to make, but I'll only make one more. I agree with you, we should fight radical Islam, but ONLY on our own soil, and only when attacked on it. Let's support the troops by bringing them home & having then HERE to secure our homeland.

I send my LOVE to...EVERYONE!!!

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 5, 2007 12:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

You have some good points but let's look at the facts:

1. As much as you want to believe it is not true. Our president was elected. I saw it, it happened, no bullshit. So he is not a dicktater.

2. I never mentioned outlawing Islam. As I said we have more mosques, temples, synogogues and churches in the same areas than anyone I am sure. All religions are or were or have potential to be violent. I don't follow any of them and as a matter of fact the right wing religious elite are the ones who make it harder for me to debate things because of their ridicules all or nothing ideology.

3. That whole illegal war thing only works at rallies with susan surrandon and tim robbins. I'll let you post the proof on here in the next 48 hours to back up your position and then you can concede that you have no proof and we can skip this topic.

I forgot what the other points were and I wish it was that easy just to pull troops out. But you and I know that is not going to happen and would not be good for those people that did vote with the purple thumbs and the Kurds who have not blown up anything since we have been there. No one mentions that. Anyway, have a great weekend I am experimenting with psychtoropical remedies at the moment and am unable to construct coherent sentences without little pieces of the letters floating off the screen, good night gracie.

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Poster: tree-ap Date: Mar 5, 2007 12:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

1. the "dictator" point WAS just a jab at the moron.
2. I don't remember saying outlaw Islam, but if I did I recant
3. I did't say the war was illegal, just that we went in based on "lies & misrepresentations" of the "truth."

psychotropic rememdies? share the wealth...
And yes, "Say goodnight Gracie."

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 5, 2007 7:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

Word.. and I won't deny Bush is an idiot. I just don't hate him and thought Gore and Kerry were idiots also. Since I did inhale I cannot run myself or I would. I would use the nukes a lot more though. I love the shrooms.

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